Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote. Don’t let a fascist take control. Don’t think that it can’t possibly happen there. This might be your last chance to vote. Don’t waste it. Sitting it out won’t help your cause but it will definitely endanger a lot of lives. That’s my take on it.
George Maschke
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm Come on. It's 2024. At this point you need to be able bring yourself to admit that Jill Stein is Putin's puppet. She is supported by one of the biggest fascists in power today.
It would be lovely to have a viable green party in the US. But *you don't have that*. You have a Russian op. Jill Stein is not what you want.
Harris is far from perfect, but is also nowhere near is a fascist. Trump and Jill Stein, however, literally are.
George Maschke
in reply to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ • • •@WAHa_06x36 I have seen no credible evidence that Jill Stein is in any sense "Putin's puppet."
As for Kamala Harris being a fascist, she's in the pocket of moneyed interests and supports a militaristic foreign policy, including full throated support for Israel's ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.
Nicole Parsons
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @WAHa_06x36
Here's your proof. Stein is a Useful Idiot.
nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-w…
newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-v…
Jill Stein's Ties to Vladimir Putin Explained
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M.S. Bellows, Jr.
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in reply to M.S. Bellows, Jr. • • •I blocked & muted both accounts.
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Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm Look, there is literally a photo of her sitting down for dinner with him. If that is not enough for you I can not help you:
nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-w…
Guess Who Came to Dinner With Flynn and Putin
Robert Windrem (NBC News)baconandcoconut
in reply to George Maschke • • •George Maschke
in reply to baconandcoconut • • •Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @baconandcoconut Understood, and it sucks that you do not get a good choice on that, but, that's it: You don't get a good choice on that.
Trump is *much worse* on that than Harris, and a vote for Jill Stein helps only Trump.
George Maschke
in reply to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ • • •NosirrahSec 🏴☠️
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut This is observably, demonstrably, incorrect in every context minus ONE. (the only one you're choosing to recognize)
You aren't CHOOSING to help Donald Trump, but your choice does help him when you take into account every other variable that is both obvious and historically repeated and documented.
Splitting the vote in close races is the same as, or worse, as supporting the worse option. This is a literal thing used and abused for decades now.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_…
This is not new. You are not going to disprove it by simply stamping your feet and crying like a petulant child.
Voting against Harris, as detestable as you believe it to be, is voting for Trump in effect. The degree of that effect varies depending on what state you are in.
Voting for Jill Stein, who has 0% chance of winning the election, is a vote for Trump by proxy.
phenomenon in which support for a minor candidate results in a win by the major candidate with the less compatible ideology or platform
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)AlexTECPlayz
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm The problem with Jill Stein is that she's a Russian puppet that seemingly does nothing besides asking for money every general election. It's nice to see a growing movement for a third party to break the two-party 'rule' the US had for decades, if not centuries, but I'd still recommend voting for Harris, if you even want to have a chance at a third party.
Trump/Vance would certainly worsen things for everyone, heck he might go full-on hard-right or fascist. I don't think this is the time for a third party vote, when the stakes seem so high.
Also, how in the hell is Kamala a 'fascist'? What are you smoking?
Nina Felwitch :v_trans:
in reply to AlexTECPlayz • • •@alextecplayz @gwm people like George here are indirectly promoting a vote for Trump. The way the US voting system works is that every vote for a third party will indirectly support whoever has the most votes.
Splitting leftist votes between multiple candidates will lead to Trump winning. There is no denying that fact. The US system doesn't allow for coalitions like Germany, where multiple parties can band together to form the government, even though individually they have fewer votes than another party.
Everyone who wants to prevent another Trump presidency will have to vote Harris.