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I was watching this interview with Margaret Atwood, after watching an interview by Hasan Minhaj of Pete Buttigieg. And in Hasanā€™s interview he quotes Margaret Thatcher: ā€œwho is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are familiesā€

And all that reminded me of the meme ā€œhow did the pandemic radicalize you?ā€

And for me it was the realization of how much my literal existence, my life and death, is tied to there being a functioning society. That ā€œrugged individualismā€ is a fantasy. And in many respects an absolute nightmare.

I came out of the pandemic as a pretty chill introvert who struggled with crowds and loud noises, but who had realized how much I need everyone else to survive myself.

I always believed in democracy, but now I believe in a state, a functioning caring collective in a way I hadnā€™t fully realized before.

Fascism is the antithesis of that, it is a state that views the population as enemies and tools for hoarding power and resources for the few.
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How the hell do these people think ā€œmass deportationā€ of tens of millions of people will look?

You think the tens of millions of collaborators will look up your papers and check your status?

It will be ā€œYou brown, you outā€ or as we saw here in Europe: ā€œYou got stuff I want I will turn you in and steal your stuffā€.

People are so fucking naive it drives me up the wall.

They fucking lost thousands of children. Over thousand are still fucking lost.
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in reply to Patricia Aas

An aside, but Margaret Thatchers reign is yet another example of economists destroying or deeply damaging a country.
in reply to Patricia Aas

Now we know why #KochNetwork & #AtlasNetwork fund university endowments.

The academic corruption of business schools, law schools, & graduate studies pays off.

jacobin.com/2021/02/postwar-ecā€¦

bylinetimes.com/2023/06/21/revā€¦

exposedbycmd.org/2024/02/23/koā€¦

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1ā€¦

Ken Griffin believes he & his ilk can buy a presidential win for a fascist, just like they bought a Supreme Court & Jan 6.

nytimes.com/2017/11/01/businesā€¦

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicagā€¦

washingtonpost.com/news/volokhā€¦

publicintegrity.org/politics/wā€¦

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in reply to Nicole Parsons

I was introduced to the concept of academic corruption when I watched "Inside Job".

The interviewer skewers the economics academics whose recommendations led to the 2008 financial crash.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insideā€¦

A reminder that none of the people who caused the 2008 crash faced any consequences thanks to #MoscowMitch & the GOP.

Moreover #Project2025 hopes to re-install these same policy failure partisan hacks, or their disciples, back in charge under Trump, if he wins.

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in reply to Patricia Aas

Nit-pick: the Thatcher quote, while much-loved, is very abbreviated and incompleteā€”in particular it omits her much more nuanced explanation of the role of rights and responsibilities in building a civil society, and the role of a social safety net, because none of that fits the "Thatcher Evil" narrative. (And I really hated Thatcher at the time!) Full interview here, you'll need to search for the relevant section (it's some way down and not bookmarked):

margaretthatcher.org/document/ā€¦

in reply to Patricia Aas

@cstross I agree with that there is nuance there, but that nuance sounds to me like a condemnation, a condemnation of the ā€œfreeloadersā€ in society, and that rhetoric of pitting one group against another is fundamentally immoral to me.

The narrative becomes: you feel that youā€™re strapped for cash? Thatā€™s because [immigants, disabled, etc] are taking your money. Tbh I think thatā€™s in many ways worse than my initial interpretation, because this scapegoating of one group is on the pathway to violence against that group. I think itā€™s dangerous.

in reply to Patricia Aas

@cstross this is Trumps ā€œtrans illegalsā€ argument. ā€œYou are paying for reassignment surgeries for illegal immigrantsā€.

Itā€™s a precursor to violence against those groups, itā€™s a part of a platform of stochastic terrorism/hate crime.

in reply to Patricia Aas

Yeah: Thatcher was a nasty, bigoted, homophobic shitbag (I remember the whole Clause 28 messā€”prefiguring today's anti-trans clampdown, only about LGBT in generalā€”and also her resistance to AIDS mitigation). But Thatcher had simpler tools for waging class warfare. And there was still a semi-functional welfare state in those days (propped up by stolen-from-Scotland North Sea oil revenue).
in reply to Charlie Stross

@cstross I was about to give her a bit of a pass because of the time she lived in, but being on the wrong side of the ADIS crisis is unforgivable to me. ā€œI hate you so much I think you should die, actually Iā€™m going to, through action and inaction, make sure you doā€. And the subsequent absolute disaster of AIDS in Africa and other placesā€¦ They shouldā€™ve gone down for crimes against humanity.
in reply to Patricia Aas

@cstross

The AIDS crisis in Africa was worsened by religions that forbade condoms as part of a pandemic strategy.
opendemocracy.net/en/5050/afriā€¦

theguardian.com/world/2009/marā€¦

Entire families orphaned at scale.

It's no different than the anti-mask & antivaxxer contingent for covid - religious groups with nakedly racist or misogynistic policies on public health.
cnn.com/2021/08/20/politics/teā€¦

independent.co.uk/news/world/aā€¦

They like pandemics that appear to target the "sinful" but...
theatlantic.com/health/archiveā€¦

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in reply to Patricia Aas

I too believe in society, crowd wisdom, etc
Democracy's worldwide are ALL in trouble from
fake news
social media interference
weak journalistic reporting & interrogation
lack of true opposition to hold govts to account
general public apathy, due to above
what's the answer?
Ban social media in elections?
Ban weak journo's?
Institute scrutiny laws?
My solution?
#sortition
A balanced selection to reflect society
random chosen
limited tenure
No 2nd terms
Proven to work
#sortitionworks
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